Murder She Wrote

So, here in Kansas, a upper middle class girl stabbed her mother to death. The girl was 16, and agreed to be tried as an adult so she could plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter instead of pleading to murder.

She’s going to be sentenced to 8 years in jail. For killing her mom. She’ll be 23 when she gets out.

The DA says she was given the lesser charge because of “circumstances” that include the fact that her mother would insist she got 100% on every assignment or she would force her to strip naked while she and her father watched. They didn’t molest her or physically hurt her.

So here’s the question. Is it illegal to make a child strip as a punishment? If not, can it be used as justification for murder?

Try this: I constantly tell you your stupid. Not every day… every 5 seconds, every day, for 10 years. You finally snap and kill me. Should you get off the hook because I had it coming?

Can you justify doing something illegal by accusing the victim of doing something that isn’t illegal? That’s what happened here. This wasn’t self defense, the mother wasn’t trying to hurt or kill her. Was she a horrible mother? Probably so.

Does being a horrible mother mean you should get the death penalty? Probably not.

In America, we’re so afraid to give a real criminal the death penalty… someone who’s kidnapped, raped, and killed 15 women… we don’t execute him because there’s a slight chance it might be unpleasant when we give him the needle…

This mother didn’t break the law. She was deserving of punishment, but not death. And in America, even if she was worthy of the death penalty, she wouldn’t be killed by being slashed to death with a kitchen knife.

I think this girl should get life in prison at minimum. What do you think?

  17 comments for “Murder She Wrote

  1. March 7, 2006 at 5:38 pm

    I agree with you here, Incredipete. I have to say, while it’s horrible – some of the things people do their children – it’s not ok to take the law into your own hands and kill them. And I think anything less than a plea of pre-meditated murder is a joke.

    She should have just dressed them like quails and sent them hunting with Dick Cheney. Problem solved.

  2. March 7, 2006 at 6:09 pm

    Sad. My former step-father got 10 months in a prison camp (kind of like prison lite) for what he did to me. She should have gone to social services. Stupid kid.

  3. Rik
    March 7, 2006 at 7:35 pm

    The problem is the state has gotten so far in parents’ business, they’re afraid to do anything to punish their children. What happened to good old fashioned beatings? No, i didn’t mean “beatings.” You know exactly what i mean.
    This is one of those gray areas where different people experience different degrees of color blindness. Some see charcoal gray, some see ash gray, some (like Timothy Leary) see purple. You can’t legislate morality and family values. If you try, you’re only going to alienate yourself and piss off half the country. Your only recourse is to do the selfish thing, and not have children. I hate being a pessimist. But then again, i don’t have to drive anyone to school in the morning either. 😉

  4. March 7, 2006 at 8:27 pm

    Mental/emotional abuse is every bit as bad as physical abuse. Abuse of ANY kind is still abuse. Oftentimes, emotional abuse is actually more damaging than physical. A sixteen-year-old girl most likely has a fully developed body. Forcing a teenager to strip naked, especially in front of her father, whether you want to think so or not, IS sexual abuse. Which is illegal in every single sense. I don’t think she deserves a life sentence … but I do think she should be placed in a mental institution rather than a prison.

  5. Livieloo
    March 7, 2006 at 10:43 pm

    I agree with at least life in prison. There are so many other options she had besides stabbing her mother to death.

  6. March 7, 2006 at 10:50 pm

    I think everyone has made good points here on both sides of the topic. While the kid was completely wrong to commit murder and the sentence was light for taking someone’s life, if you factor in the judgement of a teenager who has been abused to the point of serious emotional instability, I think a life sentence is too much punishment for this kid. If someone had helped her somewhere along the way, she probably would not have killed anyone. You can’t excuse murder, but circumstances should be taken into account. Teenagers will kill themselves over losing a boyfriend or girlfriend. They see temporary problems as permanent. They go to the extreme and make very bad decisions even in good conditions sometimes. Put one under extreme duress and the outcome can be something like Columbine…or stabbing a parent.. I also think humiliating a child is deplorable and is a good way to make one snap. If you think about major times in the news when a kid has gone off and done something horrible it frequently involves being humiliated by peers or parents.

  7. RDC
    March 8, 2006 at 12:22 am

    I agree with DK. Is she a murderer? Yes. Does she deserve compassion? Yes! Some things in life are not black and white, and may seem a contradiction. While the better call would have been to go to social services about what was, without a doubt, abuse, no one can see into her mind. We have no idea how daunting or futile this may have seemed to her. Tragically, a life was lost, and something does need to be done, however, this girl was mentally ill, her mind poisoned by her parents, and she needs to be incarcerated in a place that will be compassionate towards that. She needs recrimination, sure, but she needs fixed too.

  8. Katie
    March 8, 2006 at 7:19 am

    The father should go to jail for a couple of years with major therapy. The daughter should go to jail for a few years with major therapy. She could finish high school and college in jail. They can explain that child abuse is wrong and she was a victim but you can’t kill people for picking on you. You spend your adult life being harassed by lots of people but you can’t kill them either. What she did was wrong but the mother and father definately provoked her. Humiliating a child for not being impossibly perfect is child abuse. She should have gone to the authorities and she could live with relatives/foster home until she is 18. This would have been better than killing her parents.

  9. March 8, 2006 at 8:49 am

    I’m just happy that you can’t be executed for being a bad parent. Do yuo throw the person in jail for ever? That’s going to cost you Kansans a lot of money. Do you try to rehab her in some way and, after a while, pray that she can come out “OK” and have an impact on people in her same circumstance? It’s a gray area. It’s hard to make things black and white. Why do I get the feeling Incredipetey is trying to get us all to debate this and that he’s also in the gray here? Hmmm?

  10. March 8, 2006 at 9:28 am

    I disagree with you Incredipete!

    I think the mother got what she deserved. I feel that overbearing parental control is much like rape. The rapist looks to control everything, not for the sex, but for the absolute control over the victim. That is exactly what this girl faced for 16 years! Not for the 10-20 minutes most rapes last but 16 YEARS of one single rape. These “parents” should have to fill out a form and get tested before they are allowed to breed.

    We have Justifiable Homocide for a good reason. We should encourage the lawyers and judges to use it more often to eliminate the common criminal and bad parents.

  11. March 8, 2006 at 10:56 am

    It seems NoGoodDaddy has figured me out. I’m glad we’ve had such a healthy debate on here, and I think you all have made great points. My favorite point that I’ve heard so far in all of the debate on talk radio is this: When she gets out of jail, can she come live with you?

  12. March 10, 2006 at 9:00 am

    So you really don’t care about grusome murders in your home town? is that the lesson here? Well I’m pretty sure you must have been in on that pool of how high the murder count will get to last year. By the way what number did win I need to check my ticket.

  13. March 10, 2006 at 10:19 am

    As long as they aren’t people I know, murders are ok.


  14. March 10, 2006 at 1:55 pm

    I mean, Dude, you’re kinda transparent…in a good “rile up the masses” kind of way. Join my NCAA pool and prove you’re smarter than Nightmare.

  15. Ramrod
    March 12, 2006 at 7:43 pm

    For the next 8 years she should have to strip naked for bad behavior, but if she’s good then she can keep her clothes on…HA

  16. Wendy
    March 14, 2006 at 9:44 am

    Looks like to me the hussie should have just sucked it up and got 100% on all of her assignments. Just sayin’……

  17. March 14, 2006 at 6:45 pm

    I know I’m coming in late in the game, and the point has already been made, but let me say it again. Emotional and mental abuse is just as horrible as physical abuse. Some times it can be even more damaging. While physical abuse can cause scars of the skin, of the body, those, with modern technology can be removed or made so light that they are hardly noticable.

    But emotional and mental abuse is something that stays with you, sometimes even after therepy. It’s something you carry with you every moment of every day, even when others can’t see it.

    Do I think she was right to do what she did? No, not really. Do I blame her? No…. not really. Do I think she got off too easy? Hell yes. She committed a crime, for whatever reason, she should take maximum punishment.

    Just my 2 cents….

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