You Just Don’t Get It

Would it make you feel bad if I dashed some of your closely held illusions today? Thanks, I think I will.

I was so happy to see “Separation of Church and State” in some of the comments yesterday.

Good lord, we toss that phrase around like it came down on a tablet from Heaven.

Alright, group challenge: Go find that phrase in the Constitution.

I’ll wait; go ahead.

Didn’t find it, did you? That’s probably because it’s NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION. The term “separation of church and state” was used in a lettter written by Thomas Jefferson, and the context of the phrase was that he was trying to protect religion from the government, not the other way around. “The Government shall establish no religion.” The reason he felt a need to express this thought was that in England, the government had decided to establish the Church of England, and then fund it, which meant that Catholics were getting money from the government, and the anglicans weren’t. And since the vast majority of the founding fathers were Anglicans, it was a pretty hot topic of the day.

The founding documents of the United States were never intended to govern individuals. They are the rules for the government. We don’t have a national religion. The government doesn’t fund any particular church. So, I’d say the Constitution is being upheld quite nicely, and then some. So, politicians that believe in God can’t talk about it? That’s just idioted. They have just as much right to their opinions as you. And so long as they don’t start funding churches or establishing a national religion, then we won’t have a problem.

And on to another closely held, incorrect belief.

You have no Constitutional “right to privacy.” Go ahead and look…

I’ll wait.

Didn’t find it, did you? That’s because it’s NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION.

You have protection from illegal search and seizure. But that’s it.

Congress banned partial birth abortion. Activist judges have overturned that congressional action in almost every state by citing that it “violates a woman’s right to privacy.” Which is not a right granted by the Constitution. Which means that judges are making it up as they go along.

You can try to argue it any way you like, but you can’t make a Constitutional case for either of those concepts.

So knock yourselves out, oh wise ones.

  65 comments for “You Just Don’t Get It

  1. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Yup. Jesus never spoke of the 7 deadly sins. Once again, google is my friend. Here is a very short, but well written piece on them: Take 1 min to read:

  2. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    you don’t sex why?

    I’m confused. Is there a different spelling for “Know” when used as a word for sex?

    Help a brother out.

  3. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Yes, it’s interesting that the seven deadly sins did not come from the Bible. What’s even more interesting is that most people only know about them because of Hollywood’s portrayal in “Seven.”

  4. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Yes, and until FREAKING CONGRESS changed it, it stayed that way. Congress is the body of government that is supposed to create legislation. It’s set up that way so that the people’s wishes are represented. At least, the majority’s wishes. If you think we should have some different system, the by all means, tell me what you would recommend.

  5. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Yeah, Brad Pitt and Kevin Spacey are “almost” as good as the Bible.

  6. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    yeah yeah… thats what SHE said.

  7. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Yeah but with all of those arranged marraiges, maybe he really was just looking for her favorite color, or flavor of goats milk, hell maybe she had a favorite blanket or tent he didn’t KNOW about….I wouldn’t be jumping to conclusions on “interpreting” the bible.

    Which by the way was written by 4 men while They were drunk in a dusty little tavern on the gaza strip 2000+ years ago now would you?

  8. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Yeah but I don’t say the “N” word either, because it bothers some people because I’m white.

  9. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Wow. Let me be the last to congratulate you. And… let me also add… it’s probably the best thing you’ll ever do for yourself. It certainly was for me… at least it was one of the top 10 for me.

  10. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Why would we have a system where the judicial can overturn 100% of anything that the legislative branch turns out, but not vice versa? Huh Huh Huh? Congress can’t overturn the judicial branch… so it’s not really a check or balance, it’s one branch deciding that the other branch is wrong, and then leaving the other branch without recourse.

  11. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    When the Bible said “He wants to know his wife,” it wasn’t referring to having a chit chat about what to have for supper.

  12. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    When I say “The majority is always right,” I assume you will understand what I am saying. In America, we make decisions by majority, so no matter how wrong, stupid, immoral, or otherwise messed up the majority’s opinions are, that is what we do as a country. Sometimes we right-wingers win some, sometimes you left-wingers win some.

  13. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Well, to paraphrase your own commentary, come up with a better system! Until then you will just have to deal with the fact that us left wingers will continue to win some.

  14. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Well, sadly, cheating seems to have become a major part of the system. I think we ought to develop a new system from scratch, just to test our massive intellect. Could be fun.

    I’m sorry to hear about your hate for the boy parts, but hey, I’m not here to judge… just to point and mock.

  15. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Well, Incredipete… I really don’t care about Roe v Wade because it has no impact on any decisions in my life. I do not accept wayward penises, or penises of any kind for that matter!

  16. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Warcry, wherever the code says ‘name’ change it to %%Date%%-%%time%%. That’s how haloscan knows how to make seperate pages for each entry.

  17. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    The majority is always right. That’s the fundamental basis for our form of government. If we want our country run by some group other than the majority, then we’re going to need to do some serious overhauling of our system.

  18. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Sorry Incredipete, I don’t have a website. And yes it is quaint. In my humble opinion, our judges exist to protect us from the ignorance of the majority, and from creating laws that violate the freedoms of the minority. Just a weird thought.

  19. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Sorry if I used an old word, Belive me I mean no disrespect. My older brother is “Family” and so is my best friends Mom. I am very non PC most of the time but only until someone says “Ok knock it off, That bugs me”

    So I guess if you hate it I’ll swap it for a more modern term. “women in comfortable shoes”?, Maybe Lesbo, Legt me know which is preferred, not of my two lame ass suggestions, but what ever the current term might be.

  20. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    ps… if a judge disagrees with the “agenda”, it does not mean he/she is not impartial. It may in fact prove impartiality.

  21. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Incredipete, Judges don’t make laws. Period. They interpret laws and can overturn laws that they interpret as unconstitutional. Their decisions set ‘precidents’ but no Judge has actually made any laws, unless he was later elected to Congress or the Senate.

  22. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Ok well on the case of finding obscure stuff where people belive it is, lets talk sins. most people belive there are 7 deadly sins. They are NOT in the bible. That seems weird too does it not? No mention of the seven deadly sins in the book based on punishing the sinful?

    Seems too weird to be true, but then again when stupid people gather enmasse a lot of truths and good ideas are lost in a mound of mass retardedness.

    But like I said until we have a giant nuclear war and wipe the stupid off of this planet, nothing will change but the faces.

  23. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Of course, the next Pres will be a republican because the Dems seem to keep nominating people that not even Hitler or Stalin would vote for. It’ll either be Kerry again, who clearly has no political juice left, or Hillary, who is farther left than Ted Kennedy, who is barely classifiable as a mammal, let alone human. Nope, unless they can nominate a somewhat moderate candidate… like ole’ Bill Clinton was, they don’t have much of a chance.

  24. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Notice how miss M.A. sits very quietly in the corner during these discussions… personally I like it when you talk about steak and your dog. (How is your dog?!) I would drive you crazy if I actually voiced my opinion because I’m so all over the board when it comes to politics and religion that I confuse even myself sometimes. Inconsistent McFickle is me. But I learn a lot from you, so please keep writing. I will say this much: Right to bear arms = good. Partial birth abortion = bad. But then I’ll turn around and tell you I think we manufacture too many automatic weapons and that I believe in the right to choose. See what I mean? [returning to corner]

  25. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    not many options there huh? but then, you always did claim to be able to make any woman a lesbian.

  26. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    my germs…

  27. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    LoL. You girls always have to mark everything, dontcha?

  28. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    LOL. How true.

  29. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    LOL yes I agree with you on that! just think if itr wasn’t for technology, people would read more, and work harder not smarter and we would still be a nation of manufacturers instead of a service based country with total disdain for other cultures.

    that and we couldn’t surf for porn while we work.

  30. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Just a test, trying to set up my Haloscan and it’s not working. Trying to find out if it’s me or Haloscan.

    Just ignore me, folks…

  31. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    It’s you, WCG… 😉

  32. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    It’s the combination of allie being back and me not updating for several days. 😉

  33. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    It really doesn’t matter does it? Ya’ll use whatever suits you anyway. But then, so do we…..

  34. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    isnt cheating part of the governmental process too? just ask george and jeb about cheating 🙂

  35. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Incredipete and Jodcifer sitting in a tree …

  36. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    If judges overturn laws that Congress passes, and decide they’re unconstitutional in spite of never being mentioned in any way in the constitution, I’d say that judges are doing a pretty good job of choosing the course of the law in the U.S. Sure, they don’t introduce legislation… they just override it it they don’t like it.

  37. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I’ve turned more women gay than the National Organization of Women and Planned Parenthood combined.

  38. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I’ve got nothing as usual, I just wanted to pee on the fence to mark that I’ve been here today.

  39. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    i wouldn’t mind knowing either one of them in the biblical way…( and sidebar – how did that get to be a phrase for sex – can you get your research assistant on that one please?)

  40. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I think the current PC preferred term is “KittyGrazer”.

  41. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I think that judges overruling Congress (which is where our representation actually lies) definitely constitutes activism. I’m sorry you didn’t leave a link so I could read more of your opinions. Or maybe you don’t have a website. How quaint.

  42. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I shall certainly see. Sometimes ya just gotta do what ya gotta do. Time to move on, and all that. Change is good, else we wouldnt elect new presidents every 4yrs. right? teehee… no more W. I can always look to the future.

  43. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I love how the judges are “activist”, and that somehow being an activist is bad. Apparently the people on the “right” think anyone who disagrees with their agenda to bring religion into the government full scale is a “dirty activist”. How quaint.

  44. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    i like to think that Incredipete’s had 62 different comments ’cause i’m back here posting again – i’m sure that’s NOT it – but i like to think that it is 🙂

  45. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I just wish you left-wingers wouldn’t cheat… 😉

  46. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I just wish Bill could run again. He was hella fun. Well, I must run along to my sinus medicine. Later. Make sure you check back for future inflammatory right-wing rhetoric.

  47. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I hear you’re ditching the evil empire in the next week or two… could it be true?

  48. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    i don’t need my assistant for that one, allie. In the Bible, the word “Know” was used as a substitute for “Sex.” Don’t ask, because I don’t know why.

  49. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Hey, I didn’t bring it up. Talk to allie.

  50. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    hey, at least you spelled dyke correctly, even if it isn’t my favorite term.

  51. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Hey, as long as we still have the right arm bears I’m pretty happy.

  52. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Dear Incredipete, what I am saying is that the system, flawed as it may be, is set with its own checks-balances. One branch checks the other from making all decisions. Thats the idea behind our government. If the judicial disagrees with another branch, they most likely have some reasoning behind their thoughts. Otherwise we would not have the three branches of government.

  53. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    come on Incredipete – brad pitt AND kevin spacey were in Seven … what’s not to pay attention to? 🙂

  54. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    As to the activist judges comment I made in my entry, if you look at the facts, you can see that the judges did not make an impartial decision. They overruled Congress, citing a “right” that isn’t actually in the Constitution. That sounds like playing fast and loose with the Constitution to me…

  55. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Another thing to take into account about the “church and state” thing is that, I think, in the seventies an atheist judge used it in a case regarding prayer in schools. But I could be just pulling that out of my ass, like I am known to do on occassion. And don’t even get me started on other fabled Constitutional rights. Whoo boy. I’ll be here all day. Besides, I think HaloScan only allows so many characters per message.

  56. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Another big shout out to my research assistant, Andy.

  57. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    And, you’re ignoring the core of the issue. For them to overturn something because it violates the “right to privacy” which doesn’t actually exist is just plain judicial hoodwinking. Most people haven’t read the Constitution… when they hear “right to privacy”… heck, it sounds good to them. But it just ain’t there.

  58. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    And then, just for good measure, we have the Supreme Court, which in Roe V Wade, overruled what ALL 50 STATES had outlawed… abortion. If all 50 states had laws outlawing abortion, at least in one form or another… who is the judiciary to overturn that? And don’t even think about comparing “right to choose (ie “right to kill my baby”)” with civil rights, or women’s suffrage. Cuz I won’t bite.

  59. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    And aren’t we all fans of the story of the Dutch boy who stuck his finger in the dyke?

  60. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Amen, Andy.

    On a semi-related note, I’d like to make this comment: Why does it seem that so many people on the left would rather have judges decide the law than Congress. We actually elect Congress to represent us… or at least the simple majority. Is it because the left can’t seem to get a majority in Congress? I can’t think of any other reason to support the runaway Judicial branch we have.

  61. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Also, judges are by definition supposed to be impartial, as opposed to “activist.” So yes, for a judge, being an activist is bad.

  62. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Alright, clearly you must know me if you used MY line…. hmm. let me guess. 😉

  63. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    absolutely. monday is my first day out in the new world.

  64. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    …A right and a dyke, k-i-s-s-i-n-g….

  65. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    “The majority is always right”. Hmm.. interesting then that the majority of landowners had slaves, and slavery was abolished. The majority did not want women to vote, yet we do. The majority wanted segregation…. getting the idea?

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