Tiller: A Complete Perspective

Many of you emailed and commented yesterday about my post regarding the murder of George Tiller. One person even suggested I shared Tiller’s guilt because I wasn’t sad about his death. Although it may be a fine line, I feel that being happy he can’t do what he was doing anymore is a legitimate emotion. Obviously vigilantism and murder are things I don’t believe are right or moral, but the way pretty much everyone read yesterday’s post was that I was celebrating murder.

Alas, they missed my entire point, even when I posted a clarifying comment. My point was that I am filled with joy that so many babies will not be murdered today at his hands. I’m still filled with joy about that fact. The means by which he is no longer killing babies is virtually irrelevant to my feelings. I would have been equally filled with joy had Tiller realized the error of his ways and VOLUNTARILY stopped doing abortions. That result would have been better in almost every way, because it would have showed that even a hardened late-term abortion advocate can listen to his conscience. The man who murdered Tiller will and should be charged with murder and put in jail. As a society, we can’t allow people to take justice into their own hands. Even if what Tiller was doing WAS illegal, he deserved a jury of his peers to determine his fate.

It is not my place, nor is it the murderer’s place to judge this man’s heart or soul. Yeah, I said it. I don’t want any comments today saying “it’s not my place to judge” or “Incredipete, you’re evil for celebrating murder.” If you read everything I wrote, you can’t come to that conclusion. You might conclude that I’m splitting hairs, and that’s OK. And frankly, your judgment of me for my emotions isn’t going to change my emotions and it isn’t going to make me stop talking about it. I’m a big boy, and I have no problem taking responsibility for what I say and what I believe. In your comments, be fair (don’t put words in my mouth), and don’t be anonymous.

The fact is, when evil men have fallen (either by removal from power, execution, or whatever), the world has rejoiced. I think if you look back on our country’s own history, you would not find anyone crying over Hitler’s death. What Hitler was doing in Germany was “legal” by their standards, since Hitler basically WAS the law. Yet, Hitler was a mass murdered, and he got exactly what he deserved. (Great, now I’m going to be responsible for killing all the Jews because I said that…) Tiller didn’t kill 6 million babies (at least I don’t think he did), but he was a major advocate for late-term abortion… most called him an activist, and his activism influenced people all over the country. He personally performed tens of thousands of abortions, and he “specialized” in late-term abortions, where almost without exception the baby was nearly full term and could have lived.

When I said yesterday that Tiller reaped what he had sowed, I was indeed quoting scripture, but it’s not entirely accurate. Had Tiller actually reaped what he sowed, he would have either been injected with saline and chemically burned to death, or he would have had his skull cut open and his brains sucked out… all while awake.

I’m not saying that for the shock value. I’m saying it because I think proponents of abortion, particularly late-term abortion, somehow delude themselves into either thinking it’s not a baby, thinking the baby can’t feel anything, or thinking that it’s “necessary” for some reason. However, all modern science agrees that babies past 8-12 weeks DO feel pain.

“A Realtime ultrasound video tape and movie of a 12- week suction abortion is commercially available as, The Silent Scream, narrated by Dr. B. Nathanson, a former abortionist. It dramatically, but factually, shows the pre-born baby dodging the suction instrument time after time, while its heartbeat doubles in rate. When finally caught, its body being dismembered, the baby’s mouth clearly opens wide — hence, the title.”

Only the thalamus is needed to feel pain, and the thalamus develops at around 8 weeks. That’s irrefutable science. By the third trimester, the entire brain is developed, and the baby (“fetus”) will feel everything that YOU would feel if someone sucked your brains out while you were awake.

“Far from being less able to feel pain, such premature newborns [as are killed by partial-birth abortion] may be more sensitive to pain”…that babies under 30 weeks have a “newly established pain system that is raw and unmodified at this tender age.” P. Ranalli, Neuro. Dept., Univ. of Toronto

Can I be happy that Tiller is no longer doing what he was doing without condoning his murder? I think so, and if you’re not capable of having complex emotions and beliefs, I am sorry to confuse you with the facts. To close, here are a couple of interesting scriptures:

Proverbs 6:16-19 says “”These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.”

Regardless of the justification of Tiller’s murder or the fact that murder is murder, from this verse I could have predicted that Tiller would eventually be killed – Genesis 9:6 ““Whoever ?sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; ?For in the image of God He made man.”

  9 comments for “Tiller: A Complete Perspective

  1. June 1, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Received this email today:

    you are a zelous [sic] bible thumping nutjob and i hope someone kills u at yur church, you sicko! i will $$@#ing kill you myself if i ever see you.

    stop writing your hate speech or you will get what you deserve!


  2. June 1, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    My response to Chris:

    Dear Chris,

    Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful commentary on the important issue of the morality of late-term abortion. While I would not consider myself a zealot, I will gladly accept the title of Bible-Thumper, because I do believe the Bible is the inspired word of God.

    As for your perspective on my writing, I have to disagree with your assertion that I write hate speech. I have clearly written that the person responsible for Tiller’s death should be prosecuted, and I have not stated that I hate anyone. I simply hate that viable babies are being killed on a daily basis.

    I would love to discuss your threats in person at your convenience, as it will allow me the opportunity to invoke my 2nd Amendment rights.


  3. livieloo
    June 1, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Incredipete, I LOVE YOU! You’re response to that hater was vastly amusing. Apparently he has not read the U.S. Constitution that gives you both the freedom of religion and press. Thankfully, the second Amendment allows you to defend yourself against death threats like his. He sets an excellent example of someone showing no hate…

    BTW, my brother won his 2nd MMA fight this weekend. He KOd the guy in the first round!

  4. Keith
    June 1, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    It is exactly “logic” like this that keeps me pretty mum on these sorts of subjects. I admire your willingness to put up with the flack on this one. I usually just find that it isn’t worth the time as so few people actually want to think about things, they just want to react and rant.

    Whatever happened to “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?”

  5. June 1, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Ah Keith… you’re like a cool breeze on a hot, humid Kansas City day.

  6. Kathy B.
    June 1, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Hi Incredipete — Although I absolutely respect your opinion, (which I may or may not agree with) I take issue to one statement in yesterday’s post.

    You stated: “what kind of church allowed this man to be a part of it boggles the mind” — well, the kind of church that believes in forgiveness, of course. Without going into a lot of my theological beliefs, I just want to say that it is not up to us as mere mortal humans to judge other sinners; THAT is God’s job. We are all sinners; I certainly hope that we are all forgiven.


  7. June 1, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Hi Kathy, I agree that churches should teach and practice forgiveness. However, I also believe that a church has a responsibility to stand up for what’s right and to stand up for life. To allow someone to sit in the pews for 30 years who is completely unrepentant about what he’s doing – that’s what I can’t believe. Yes, all have sinned, but those who have repented are forgiven, and those who don’t repent go to hell.

  8. June 2, 2009 at 5:13 am

    If I may bop back in here and risk seeming remiss, Pedro old buddy, there are many things upon which our beliefs differ.

    But we both like spirited, intellectual debate full of mutual respect, and the freedom to have such without fear of reprisal or censorship.

    Despite some fundamental difference in the former, it is probably the latter that adds to what is a good and solid friendship.

    If *I* don’t agree with you, good on ya for letting me say so here, and providing your feedback. Speak your mind, be controversial and opinionated, this is YOUR site.

    Just watch yer ass amigo, ha ha, sounds like you bin’ gettin’ folks a might testy!

  9. June 2, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Judd, debate is what I enjoy the most on here, and debate isn’t much fun when everyone agrees. I have the utmost respect for anyone who has an informed opinion on a topic, even if it differs with mine. I don’t much like it when an uninformed boob tells me I’m immoral for thinking what I think…. which is what happened Sunday.

    This will always be a place where we can enjoy uncensored debate on the most controversial issues (unless it’s simply anonymous insults), and yes, I’m watching my back because of the death threats! 🙂

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