Shove Your Moral Relativism

So let’s get real.

I keep hearing the same thing, and it’s a disturbing trend. It’s being spit all over the media, and no one seems to see the irony.

“Republicans are kissing the butts of the Conservative Christian Right, and trying to make the only alternative for the Democrats as the ‘evil’ party.”

First of all, it’s pretty ridiculous to think that either political party isn’t “evil.”

Second, it makes the assumption that the Christian Right is something icky that should be avoided.

Third… it’s not like Conservative Christians gravitated toward the Republican party because of propoganda… The Republican platform includes things that the Christian Conservatives believe are black and white issues, and the Republicans have ended up on the “right” side of the issues.

A perfect example is abortion. At least in theory, the Republican party is pro-life. The Democratic party is pro-choice. And that’s fine. I’m not knocking you for believing what you believe. But you’re never going to convince a Conservative Christian that they should vote for a pro-choice candidate. You just won’t. I would vote in a mentally retarded candidate that was pro-life before I’d vote for a Nobel prize winning genius that was pro-choice.

Does this mean that the Republicans are kissing my butt by having a pro-life platform? NO. It just means that our opinions line up.

If you believe the Democrat’s platform better represents your views, then by all means, vote for the Democrat. But don’t then tell me I’m stupid for voting my conscience on moral issues.

I think that’s the main thing that “progressives” don’t understand about my views. On issues that I consider to be moral issues, like abortion, I am going to go with the side that represents my side. That’s the way representative government works. If a majority of Americans, yes, even if it’s just 51%, think that we should ban gay marriage, or outlaw abortion, or oppose pulling the plug on infirmed people, then the majority should get their wishes.

In the Schiavo case, roughly 70% of Americans thought that the government should butt out and let the family decide. The majority ruled, in spite of the minority’s best intentions. That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

So when Conservative Christians come up with a majority, and get something “their way,” then congrats to them, too. In a Democracy, that’s the way it works.

It seems that everywhere you turn, if someone like me opposes something, like abortion or gay marriage, that I’m a narrow minded bigot. No, I believe in right and wrong, regardless of race, color or creed. Right and wrong are not relative. Right and wrong are universal. Right and wrong are why God gave you a conscience. You may have numbed your conscience to certain things, but that doesn’t change the truth that right and wrong are right and wrong 100% of the time.

Just because “a lot of people do it” does not mean it should be socially acceptable. Things that are morally wrong should not ever be protected by the law. People say I’m imposing my morals on them… HELLO! The law was created to prevent people from doing things that are wrong. The law was never intended to protect people that want to IMPOSE their immoral behavior on the rest of society.

“Moral Relativism” is a cancer that is watering down people’s minds and hearts. The only way to stop it is for people who still believe in right and wrong to do what’s right, and speak up.

So bite me, you freaking idiots.

  39 comments for “Shove Your Moral Relativism

  1. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    wow what a long winded fuck Nightmare is huh?

  2. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Where do you think “Thou shalt not kill” came from? A cracker jack box?

  3. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Well, we have laws to govern what is “right and wrong”. What I was referring to are your religious laws, which are the ones I don’t necessarily agree with. Obviously I don’t think that it’s ok to be a serial killer (sorry wombat). I just disagree with some religious issues.

  4. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Well, I don’t think any of us are going to get the last laugh, because I’m fairly certain that even the best of us have screwed up royally a time or two… 😉

  5. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Well bless my soul. It’s ALLIE! Welcome back, girl!

  6. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Um…Issues like a minister telling a 17 year-old boy he’s going straight to hell because he’s gay. And that contracting HIV was God’s punishment for his homosexuality. For calling women who are exercising their rights under the law murderers. For telling me I am going to hell for having sex with my boyfriend before I get married. For using birth control. For living together out of wedlock.

  7. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Um… Incredipete, unless you’re a virgin, don’t preach about abstinence. I am not arguing the origins of the virus or how it was spread. My problem is with telling someone that it is punishment for being gay. That is what I have a problem with. Obviously, this issue that affects me personally, so it is something I have very strong feelings about. I know not everyone feels the same way I do.

    Which is why I read Incredipete in the first place.

    And where the hell is Nightmare? Isn’t he the one that wanted the controversial Incredipete back?

  8. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Uh… the irony of your statement is that you just basically DEFINED moral relativism. Right and wrong are not relative. If a bunch of people start having relationships with farm animals, that won’t make it right. It may become “socially acceptable” if enough people are doing it. But it won’t ever be right.

  9. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    there’s the Incredipetey i know – welcome back!

  10. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    That may be true… If it is, I give you permission to tell me “I told you so.” 🙂

  11. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Right and wrong are definitely relative, as you yourself are proving. Who says that gay marriage is wrong? The Bible does. That’s why people are opposed to it.

    Let me ask you one simple question: What the fuck does it matter if gay people are allowed to marry? Is the world going to end? Is it going to effect you on any level? It’s two consenting adults that are homosexual wanting a legally binding aspect to their relationship. Why the fuck should anyone not involved in the situation care in the slightest?

  12. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Incredipete, I think you’re stupid for voting your conscience on moral issues.

    Terri Shiavo: It wasn’t due to “Majority Rule”. It was due to the fact that Federal Court had no consitutinal right to supersede the soverniegn state of FL.

  13. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Incredipete, I disagree. If you told me to jump off a bridge, I’d do it. HA!

  14. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Incredipete, AIDS did not cross over from monkeys to humans because of sex. IT was from hunting and eating them.

    Please tell me you knew that.

  15. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Oh great, I finally thought of a good tuna joke and you’ve all moved on already.

  16. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    NO! 😉

  17. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Nicely done… 🙂

  18. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Look closely at the rules in any religion. Without going into great depths here in deference to Incredipete and his beliefs, an agruement can be made that religion is a tool to control the populace. In ancient times the best way to make the populace do what you wanted was to tell them that God commands it.

    I mean, let’s just look at premarital sex. Why is it a sin? Because before contraception premarital sex led to fatherless babies. Fatherless babies meant babies with no provider as womwen didn’t exactly have sufrage and rights back then. So, to control this problem the clergy comes to the people and says “hey, we just got altar with God and he said knock off the sex before marriage.”

    I mean, I can and have dissected all of the Catholic church’s rules and sins and shown how they are really societal controls, but that would be way too much to type here and I don’t want to offend.

  19. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    It’s very dangerous to let “personal freedom” determine what is acceptable. To a serial killer (like Wombat), killing random people is totally okey dokey. We IMPOSE our idea of right and wrong on him, because that’s what society is supposed to do. We tend to allow things that are “wrong” as long as they don’t hurt anyone else. And, of course, in the event of abortion and euthanasia, we allow it even though it really does hurt someone else.

  20. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    It was from eating their brains while they were still living. Ok, thanks. You made me spell it out.

  21. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    If we all had the same beliefs and same outlook on things, this would be a boring world.

    As for abortion, sex before marriage, std’s., etc… this stuff has been happening for centuries, it just wasn’t acceptable to talking about it until towards the end of the last century when everyone got all touchy feely.

    I won’t even go into my theory of the “immaculate conception” because this is Incredipete’s space and Incredipete likes the bible. Not me, I need hard scientific proof.

    That’s what makes us different – and that’s a good thing.

  22. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I think laws against murder infringe upon my right to kill anyone who pisses me off. I mean, if everyone is killing then it MUST be right, right?

    You know what I mean.

  23. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I think I specifically mentioned that I was not preaching. I was merely pointing out the cause and effect nature of STDs. It’s pretty hard to argue with the logic there. If you don’t have sex, and you don’t do illegal drugs, you’re not very likely to get an STD.

  24. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I never said your religious views weren’t true – for you. But some of them aren’t true for me. I don’t believe I am going to go to hell if I fall in love with a woman, or if I decide to have an abortion. And, in spite of what you may think, I don’t think something is right “just because everyone’s doing it.”

    Unless it’s sex with farm animals. That’s hot.

    I suppose you’re right… we’ll know for sure when we’re dead.

  25. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I must say, let’s think about this. HIV originally came from Africa where it was being carried by monkeys. We will omit how it transferred from the monkeys to the people because this is a family friendly website. Initially, the spread of HIV was almost exclusively in the gay and drug using populations. It has since made the crossover into the general population. But let’s just leave God totally out of it for a minute. Nature reacts against things. We can observe it. Call it natural selection, whatever you like. Nature always finds ways to self cleanse. For instance, if we manage to pollute the Earth badly enough, Nature will respond by killing our asses off. That’s how it works. So, is HIV a punishment? Only God knows. Would it be widespread without the original transmission methods? Probably not. I’m not preaching, I’m just trying to point out possibilities.

  26. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I had a personal friend who died of AIDS a few years ago. He was gay, and that’s how he got it. He was a great guy, a nice guy. I don’t dislike people because of their beliefs or what they do. I think that the behavior is wrong, but I do wrong things, too. It’s God’s place ultimately to do the judging. You know, the Bible says “Judge not, lest you be judged.” But it also says “Make a right judgement.” I do not condemn people for their actions. But I make a judgement about what is right and wrong. But ultimately, “all have sinned….”

  27. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    I guess my point is, if there is a God who judges us based on the criteria he established, and we are not following those criteria – “I didn’t believe in you” is not going to wash very well in the end… if you know what I mean.

  28. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Here’s a novel thought for each of you: if I agree that each of you may be right, can each of you also acknowledge that you might also be wrong?

  29. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Good article, el Andy. Some of those possibilities were far grosser than eating brains. YUCK! Note to self… don’t touch monkeys.

  30. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    glad to be back …

  31. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    First off thank you Incredipetey for the topic.

    All organized religions were created by by well intentioned people give answers to people who had no scientific therory. And they were then maintained by the govenments of the time to keep the masses inline. So a good idea has been usurped and made evil to help promote a single government official or many govenment officials/kings/princes/dictators/ ect.

    So for anyone to be of a religious belief and a politician, IN my book is already a direct conflict between church and state. I think all of our officials should be influenced only by their political office and not with any religious affiliations. So with that in mind lets discuss all of the stuff that the medical feild has helped the human race by killing it.
    polio
    measles
    rubella
    syphilis
    yes all viruses, however that lead to less baby deaths in the 1st year of the baby’s life. So with more babies living longer, people had choices. the need for 8-14 children in hopes of someone staying a live to take care of granny when they got old, was very diminished. The next step is naturally to eliminate any unwanted children. Truth is it happens. Whether or not your god, your belief system wants it to, it does happen. So why continue to have something that only a small percentage of people on the planet want? Why not have the option of abortion? I feel that it is a womans choice to have a baby. But she only gets to keep it if both people want to keep it. If both partners want the baby no problem. If the woman wants it and the guy doesn’t, the resposibility ends there, and if the girl doesn’t want it and tells the guy, he has the chioce of keeping it himself with no responsibility expected from her.

    Now this is my belief system and I don’t expect anyone else to pick up on it and run with it, but zI’m also not running for office or Pope-hood either.
    If you want controversy, try and sell mens rights on babies, birth, and options. Women have a choice, men have a responsibility.

  32. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    eh…I may disagree. I happen to think that Dems or Reps try to appeal to the “extremes”. Let’s be honest, those people tend to be the most politically active/adamant about their issues. They’re listening, contributing, and most importantly, voting. As time passes, those people get elected to office and you start seeing the rest of the party drift more and more to the poles. I also don’t think someone like me who sits in the middle can complain about it. If I wanted to see things come more towards the center, I could do something about it. I’m too lazy to do anything though. Everyone’s welcome to their opinion. I just don’t have to agree with it. That’s what makes our lovely country so lovely.

    Did I just prattle on without making a point? I think I did.

  33. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Andria,

    None of those issues you brought up are laws.

  34. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    And, why is it spreading far and wide among the general population now? Because everyone sleeps with multiple partners. If you do it the “Religious” way, then everyone would have only one partner, and there would be absolutely no STDs. Period. So, it may be prudish, and it’s certainly not practiced in reality, but if we followed abstinence except within marraige, the problem would be eliminated. Cause and effect, people.

  35. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    And, just because you don’t believe in my religious views does not mean that they aren’t true. And if they are true, then the same universal truth applies to you even if you don’t buy into it. I guess ultimately, we’ll just have to see what happens after we’re dead.

  36. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    And, all that said, I can also tell you with great confidence that my risk factors are EXTREMELY low. Much lower, at times, than I would like.

  37. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Actually a simple google came up with a decent article:

    http://www.gibbsmagazine.com/Where%20AIDS%20Came%20From.htm

  38. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    Andria Religious issues like what?

  39. November 30, -0001 at 12:00 am

    “Right and wrong are not relative. Right and wrong are universal.” Incredipete, just because you happen to think something is wrong based on your religious views, doesn’t necessarily make it wrong for people who choose not to be religious. And, in my opinion, being opposed to gay marriage does make you narrow-minded. But that’s just my opinion.

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